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davema
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Post FYI: Purple Pen, Issue with Overprinting Purple Color
on: May 17, 2017, 14:30
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Heyho,

So, I came across a strange problem with the maps for the Curragh event last night, where the purple color used for the course was slightly darker/bluer than usual, making it very hard to read. This only came to light when I had recieved the printed maps, and by that stage it was too late to rectify, but here's how I could have avoided it, in case anyone ever has similar difficulties.

The OCAD map for the Curragh had the Purple color defined as 0,100,0,0 (CMYK). This is how Purple is supposed to look, according to IOF mapping standards. I didn't have OCAD installed, so i decided to use Open Orienteering Mapper to make the map corrections for the event. In the end, I made serveral adjustments to the gorse over serveral weeks. What I didn't realise that somewhere along the way, the Purple color definition had changed to 20,200,0,0 (CMYK) - adding some Cyan into the mix, producing a darker/blue-er purple. I still dont understand how this happened, but there you go.

When I imported my modifed OCAD map into Purple Pen, all seemed fine - the two colors dont look dissimilar on-screen. I generated PDFs (still looked ok to my eye), and only realised the change in hue when the printed maps came back from Prontaprint. I did some experiments yesterday, to figure out what was wrong, and I discovered the issue with the color values. I also noticed that in Purple Pen, I could have fixed this like so:

1) With your event opened in Purple Pen, click on "Event", then "Customize Appearance"
2) Untick "Use purple color from map"
3) Set the CMYK values to 0, 100, 0, 0 respectively, to ensure a pure magenta Purple color
4) You can also adjust the line thicknesses, etc, if required - I found the defaults a little thin at 1:7500
5) When generating the PDFs, select CMYK Color Model (its the default anyways)

Anyways, just putting this here in case it helps someone else in the future!

Dave

stuart
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Post Re: FYI: Purple Pen, Issue with Overprinting Purple Color
on: May 17, 2017, 14:42
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Hi Dave,

As Mapping Officer I think a 'best practice' guide would be a very useful reference for both novice planners and experts such as yourself. There are many different types of software out there, some of which are extremely complex, and there is such a wealth of knowledge and experience that could be shared.

In particular, there have been a few events recently where I've found it very difficult to see the control circles. It's probably my age but could also be attributed to the problem you describe!

A simple 'how to' could help ensure existing high standards are maintained across all events and clubs, and assist planners who are less 'technical' than others.

Would you like to help...?

Many thanks,

Stuart

imurphy
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Post Re: FYI: Purple Pen, Issue with Overprinting Purple Color
on: May 17, 2017, 14:47
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Thanks Dave for the explanation & how to avoid.

I was blaming my failing eyesight until a 'new to the sport' entrant said she could only barely see the control link lines. 

davema
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Post Re: FYI: Purple Pen, Issue with Overprinting Purple Color
on: May 17, 2017, 14:54
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Out of interest (and partially driven by my urge to find a root cause), it appears that Open Orienteering Mapper is at fault here - if you download it and create a new blank map, using the ISOM standard symbol set, the color Purple is immediately defined as 20/100/0/0. I suspect once I saved my OCAD map in OOM (in OCD format), it applied its (incorrect imho) color definition.

Anyways, add it to my checklist for the future.

Dave

Angus
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Post Re: FYI: Purple Pen, Issue with Overprinting Purple Color
on: May 17, 2017, 15:10
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Dave/All
The 20/100/0/0 purple is the correct purple to use. OCAD "purple" of 0/100/0/0 have had it wrong all along. The 20% cyan is an essential component for those with some versions of colour blindness.

The latest version of Purple Pen will now except the native OOM format of .omap so one doesn't need ocad version at all. I doubt that OOM was at any fault, the setting may have been imported. I've used OOM almost exclusively for years and never had this issue.

Angus
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Post Re: FYI: Purple Pen, Issue with Overprinting Purple Color
on: May 17, 2017, 15:19
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Dave, just noticed

What I didn't realise that somewhere along the way, the Purple color definition had changed to 20,200,0,0

Did you really mean 20,200,0,0? Max is 100, shouldn't be able to have 200.

davema
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Post Re: FYI: Purple Pen, Issue with Overprinting Purple Color
on: May 17, 2017, 16:06
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Sorry typo, - 20/100/0/0 is correct, obviously 🙂 Funnily some people mentioned the color-blind thing last night, so thats what propmted me to check the ISOM this morning.

However, I'm stil a bit confused - I looked at several old maps, and they all have a pinker purple than the maps from last night. I checked the color definition in serveral CNOC O-Cad maps, and purple is always defined as 0/100/0/0. I'm not sure where the use of 20/100/0/0 originally comes from?

Angus
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Post Re: FYI: Purple Pen, Issue with Overprinting Purple Color
on: May 17, 2017, 16:35
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Dave the purple last night was far removed from 20,100,0,0, it was something quite different. I have used up to 30%cyan which is fine and I think I've seen mention of adding a little black but that could be my imagination.

One other setting I use on Purple Pen is to tick the box blending the purple with the underlying map colours. This allows the black of boulders and other features to show through

davema
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Post Re: FYI: Purple Pen, Issue with Overprinting Purple Color
on: May 17, 2017, 17:14
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I really dont know what the issue was so - the purple is defined as 20/100/0/0, so i dont know why it printed the way it did.

Has anyone else any ideas? I'd really like to be able to avoid this in future. Maybe I've messed up the OCAD file somehow?

Dave

Angus
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Post Re: FYI: Purple Pen, Issue with Overprinting Purple Color
on: May 17, 2017, 17:34
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Have you looked at all the purple colours in the OCAD file? There may be more than one. I suspect your event may have been something like purple 50% 15,50,0,0

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